Michelle Grattan speaks with the University of Canberra’s vice-chancellor and president, Deep Saini, about this week in Australian politics – including the Nationals’ dual citizenship turmoil, Julie Bishop’s strange tactics on the defensive, an update on the same-sex marriage postal survey, Pauline Hanson’s burqa stunt in the Senate, and media reform.

Michelle Grattan does interviews for ABC Radio.

Deep Saini does not work for, consult, own shares in or receive funding from any company or organisation that would benefit from this article, and has disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond the academic appointment above.